Olivia Rodrigo Practices Yoga—and Her Go-To Teacher Is an Online Fave.

Olivia Rodrigo’s secret to managing stress? A generally chill attitude and, as it turns out, a regular yoga practice.

During a recent episode of The New York Times podcast Popcast, critic Jon Caramanica and culture reporter Joe Coscarelli asked Rodrigo to name a few things that she’s good at besides what she does for a living—aka singing, songwriting, and performing all over the world. Her first answer? Playing cards (The pop star’s alternative names for the suits include “clovers” for clubs and “sparkles” for diamonds.) Her second response? Yoga.

“I’m really good at yoga,” she said in the interview. “I really got into it last tour because I was really stressed, and now I’m really good and can do tricks and stuff.” The hosts demonstrated their own yoga knowledge, asking if Rodrigo looks to teachers like Sky Ting or Adriene Mishler for classes on the go. Rodrigo confirmed she does love Yoga With Adriene. 

Her adoption of the practice makes even more sense in context. Throughout the conversation, which was a stop on her promotional tour for her new album, You Seem Pretty Sad for a Girl So in Love, which releases June 12, the 23-year-old demonstrates a certain level of self-awareness. And if the musical feedback from Popcast‘s hosts is any indication (they, of course, got an early listen), that same reflection is evident throughout her third album.

That clarity comes through when Rodrigo discusses the album’s narrative, one that follows the rise and fall of a romantic relationship.

“For so long, when I was younger, I was always reaching for something. Like, ‘Oh, if I have this then I’ll be happier, if I have this thing in my career I’ll be happier, if I have this guy and he loves me the way I always thought he would love me I’ll feel better about myself,’” she said. “And slowly throughout the course of my life and this relationship that I’m talking about [in the album], you just realize that the issues that you have aren’t just going to be solved by some other person. Something can distract you, but they’re your issues.”

That sort of insight, introspection, and non-attachment definitely comes with growth and experience. But yoga definitely helps.